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	<title>Comments on: ..but if the Scrum Alliance Can&#8217;t Do It, Who Will?</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas Steinkamp</title>
		<link>http://blog.coryfoy.com/2010/02/but-if-the-scrum-alliance-cant-do-it-who-will/comment-page-1/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Steinkamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across your post when I was researching info on kitchen gadgets. While it isn&#039;t what I was trying to find, I enjoyed reading your article. Will bookmark to come back and read later on. Funny how Msn works...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across your post when I was researching info on kitchen gadgets. While it isn&#8217;t what I was trying to find, I enjoyed reading your article. Will bookmark to come back and read later on. Funny how Msn works&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scrum Alliance Reflux - Cory Foy, LLC - Agile Training and Consulting - Enterprise Agility Redefined</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrum Alliance Reflux - Cory Foy, LLC - Agile Training and Consulting - Enterprise Agility Redefined</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I covered that in my last post. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jesse Fewell</title>
		<link>http://blog.coryfoy.com/2010/02/but-if-the-scrum-alliance-cant-do-it-who-will/comment-page-1/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Fewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory, I like where this conversation is going; it&#039;s helping me get a better sense of the agile industry&#039;s issues. Your latest post crafts a very good description of the execution problems of the Scrum Alliance. HOWEVER, I don&#039;t think that means their mission is fragmented. See my response post here: http://www.jessefewell.com/2010/02/26/scrum-is-dead-long-live-scrum-part-2/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory, I like where this conversation is going; it&#8217;s helping me get a better sense of the agile industry&#8217;s issues. Your latest post crafts a very good description of the execution problems of the Scrum Alliance. HOWEVER, I don&#8217;t think that means their mission is fragmented. See my response post here: <a href="http://www.jessefewell.com/2010/02/26/scrum-is-dead-long-live-scrum-part-2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jessefewell.com/2010/02/26/scrum-is-dead-long-live-scrum-part-2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scrum Is Dead. Long Live Scrum. [Part 2]</title>
		<link>http://blog.coryfoy.com/2010/02/but-if-the-scrum-alliance-cant-do-it-who-will/comment-page-1/#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrum Is Dead. Long Live Scrum. [Part 2]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the last week or so, Cory Foy and I have been trading posts about the state of the Scrum universe. In his last entry, he writes with a vim and vinegar, and comes a compelling conclusion: &#8220;Get Scrum Working Well [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the last week or so, Cory Foy and I have been trading posts about the state of the Scrum universe. In his last entry, he writes with a vim and vinegar, and comes a compelling conclusion: &#8220;Get Scrum Working Well [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Notional Slurry &#187; links for 2010-02-23</title>
		<link>http://blog.coryfoy.com/2010/02/but-if-the-scrum-alliance-cant-do-it-who-will/comment-page-1/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator>Notional Slurry &#187; links for 2010-02-23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ..but if the Scrum Alliance Can’t Do It, Who Will? &#8211; Cory Foy, LLC &#8211; Agile Training an... &quot;new Scrum::BaseScrum() //raise NotImplementedException&quot; (tags: Scrum agility agile-practices communities-of-practice community-dynamics) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ..but if the Scrum Alliance Can’t Do It, Who Will? &#8211; Cory Foy, LLC &#8211; Agile Training an&#8230; &quot;new Scrum::BaseScrum() //raise NotImplementedException&quot; (tags: Scrum agility agile-practices communities-of-practice community-dynamics) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Cravens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Cravens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written. I agree that an organization needs both project management (scrum, lean, waterfall...etc) and engineering best practices. Project management tends to be implemented early on in many organizations because every one (developers and non-developers) understands the need. Small organizations can get away with sloppy engineering practices. Once organization reaches a certain size they begin to recognize the need for engineering best practices. Many times these engineering best practices are implemented in response to symptoms in quality and / or productivity. Mature companies will have good project management and engineering best practices.

Scrum is a great project management technique. Very flexible and engineering agnostic. Anyone can use it in their organization. I think that is why it has become so popular.

I too would like to see coaching of engineering best practices. I don&#039;t think that all engineering practices are for everyone. However, there must be a certain subset that everyone can agree on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written. I agree that an organization needs both project management (scrum, lean, waterfall&#8230;etc) and engineering best practices. Project management tends to be implemented early on in many organizations because every one (developers and non-developers) understands the need. Small organizations can get away with sloppy engineering practices. Once organization reaches a certain size they begin to recognize the need for engineering best practices. Many times these engineering best practices are implemented in response to symptoms in quality and / or productivity. Mature companies will have good project management and engineering best practices.</p>
<p>Scrum is a great project management technique. Very flexible and engineering agnostic. Anyone can use it in their organization. I think that is why it has become so popular.</p>
<p>I too would like to see coaching of engineering best practices. I don&#8217;t think that all engineering practices are for everyone. However, there must be a certain subset that everyone can agree on.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zac Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Personally, I’d prefer to see the certifications dropped and the Scrum Alliance focus on fixing the industry-wide pandemic we call software development. But that’s just me.&quot;

It&#039;s not just you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Personally, I’d prefer to see the certifications dropped and the Scrum Alliance focus on fixing the industry-wide pandemic we call software development. But that’s just me.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just you.</p>
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		<title>By: William Pietri</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Pietri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Cory. Although I am not very optimistic, that&#039;s what I&#039;d love to see the Scrum Alliance do as well.

As a long-time San Francisco resident, I&#039;ve followed the development of Burning Man, which I think has some lessons for the Agile movement.

Both are movements started by people whose different ideas led to different experiences, the lessons of which they wanted to share more widely. Both started out as bottom-up, peer-to-peer efforts. Both ended up with organizations with well-paid, full-time professionals. Both face questions from early participants about whether the organizations are really serving the purpose and fulfilling the promise of the early days.

I think part of the problem faced in both worlds is the ease with which an organization&#039;s primary purpose shifts from doing the work to making sure the organization survives and thrives. That shift always seems very reasonable at the time; survival is immediate, while the work is vaguer, and can be pushed off to the future. And the shift is especially reasonable to the people whose salaries depend on the organization. As Upton Sinclair wrote, &quot;It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.&quot;

I wish the Scrum community the best of luck in sorting all this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Cory. Although I am not very optimistic, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;d love to see the Scrum Alliance do as well.</p>
<p>As a long-time San Francisco resident, I&#8217;ve followed the development of Burning Man, which I think has some lessons for the Agile movement.</p>
<p>Both are movements started by people whose different ideas led to different experiences, the lessons of which they wanted to share more widely. Both started out as bottom-up, peer-to-peer efforts. Both ended up with organizations with well-paid, full-time professionals. Both face questions from early participants about whether the organizations are really serving the purpose and fulfilling the promise of the early days.</p>
<p>I think part of the problem faced in both worlds is the ease with which an organization&#8217;s primary purpose shifts from doing the work to making sure the organization survives and thrives. That shift always seems very reasonable at the time; survival is immediate, while the work is vaguer, and can be pushed off to the future. And the shift is especially reasonable to the people whose salaries depend on the organization. As Upton Sinclair wrote, &#8220;It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wish the Scrum community the best of luck in sorting all this out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gilb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Gilb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put. Thanks for these comments. I have my own opinion that what we lack is focus on quantified top level project objectives. We will present ideas at scrum gathering Orlando 8 march. They are also in downloads gilb.com. Value Driven Agile is what we need. Not use case function code driven agile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put. Thanks for these comments. I have my own opinion that what we lack is focus on quantified top level project objectives. We will present ideas at scrum gathering Orlando 8 march. They are also in downloads gilb.com. Value Driven Agile is what we need. Not use case function code driven agile.</p>
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